Got my 210gr ABLRs from SPS!!! Range update

[Woodycreek]

This is me when a box from SPS is on the front porch!

And I finally got my hands on some 210gr ABLR seconds from SPS! The ABLRs are on the left and right with a .338 250gr SMK in the middle!

 

[.300winmag]

They look good. What are you planning on slinging them out of? I look forward to hearing how you like them and if you stretch the out a ways, how the published BC seems to correlate with real world results!

 

[Woodycreek]

Plan on running them out of the 300 RUM with Retumbo. Hope to get in the Mancave tonight and prep brass so I can try them out this weekend. Gonna have everybody drinking milk just to have enough jugs for a test! Should be able to give Scotty some so he can load for his 300 wsm.

 

[nitis]

You should consider yourself very lucky. I was on the notification list from midway and was logged in within 20 minutes of the notification and all were gone! And I never saw them at sps and try and check them at least once a day

 

[Woodycreek]

I missed out on Midway also.

 

[SJB358]

Those are some sleek looking bullets. Can't wait to hear how they shoot.

I know that Berger's and Sierra's will probably have a slightly different bearing surface, but it'll give you an idea of the speeds attainable..

Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Berger VLD G7 #30515
Useable Case Capaci: 99.758 grain H2O = 6.477 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 91 84.15 2686 3364 45106 11822 100.0 1.565
-09.0 92 85.09 2714 3434 46720 11880 100.0 1.539
-08.0 93 86.02 2741 3504 48395 11938 100.0 1.515
-07.0 94 86.96 2768 3574 50134 11994 100.0 1.492
-06.0 95 87.89 2796 3644 51941 12050 100.0 1.468
-05.0 96 88.83 2823 3715 53816 12104 100.0 1.445
-04.0 97 89.76 2850 3786 55764 12158 100.0 1.423 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 98 90.70 2876 3858 57779 12211 100.0 1.401 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 91.63 2903 3929 59858 12263 100.0 1.379 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 100 92.57 2929 4001 62005 12314 100.0 1.358 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 93.50 2955 4073 64227 12363 100.0 1.337 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 102 94.44 2982 4146 66526 12412 100.0 1.317 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 103 95.37 3008 4218 68906 12460 100.0 1.297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 104 96.31 3034 4292 71370 12507 100.0 1.278 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 97.24 3060 4365 73921 12553 100.0 1.259 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 106 98.18 3085 4439 76563 12598 100.0 1.240 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 93.50 3054 4350 78894 11964 100.0 1.234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 93.50 2805 3668 50303 12949 100.0 1.478


Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Sierra HP MatchK 9240-G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 99.268 grain H2O = 6.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 91 84.15 2693 3381 45503 11799 100.0 1.557
-09.0 92 85.09 2721 3451 47138 11857 100.0 1.533
-08.0 93 86.02 2748 3522 48836 11913 100.0 1.509
-07.0 95 86.96 2776 3592 50598 11969 100.0 1.485
-06.0 96 87.89 2803 3663 52429 12024 100.0 1.461
-05.0 97 88.83 2830 3734 54330 12079 100.0 1.438
-04.0 98 89.76 2857 3806 56306 12132 100.0 1.416 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 99 90.70 2884 3877 58351 12184 100.0 1.394 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 91.63 2910 3949 60461 12235 100.0 1.373 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 101 92.57 2937 4021 62641 12286 100.0 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 93.50 2963 4094 64898 12335 100.0 1.331 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 103 94.44 2989 4167 67233 12383 100.0 1.311 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 104 95.37 3016 4240 69651 12430 100.0 1.291 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 105 96.31 3042 4314 72156 12477 100.0 1.271 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 97.24 3068 4388 74750 12522 100.0 1.252 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 107 98.18 3093 4462 77437 12566 100.0 1.234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 93.50 3061 4370 79737 11936 100.0 1.229 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 93.50 2813 3689 50817 12919 100.0 1.470


Here is what the little 300 looks like with RL22

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 210, Berger VLD G7 #30415
Useable Case Capaci: 68.974 grain H2O = 4.478 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 94 60.73 2558 3050 45097 10540 97.4 1.426
-09.0 96 61.41 2587 3120 46678 10648 97.8 1.404
-08.0 97 62.08 2616 3190 48321 10751 98.1 1.382
-07.0 98 62.76 2645 3261 50026 10849 98.4 1.360
-06.0 99 63.43 2673 3333 51796 10943 98.7 1.338
-05.0 100 64.11 2702 3405 53630 11032 98.9 1.318
-04.0 101 64.78 2731 3478 55526 11116 99.2 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 102 65.46 2760 3551 57485 11194 99.4 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 66.13 2788 3626 59514 11267 99.5 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 104 66.81 2817 3700 61618 11335 99.7 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 67.48 2846 3776 63801 11397 99.8 1.219 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 106 68.15 2874 3851 66067 11454 99.9 1.200 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 68.83 2902 3928 68419 11505 100.0 1.182 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 108 69.50 2931 4005 70862 11550 100.0 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 70.18 2959 4082 73399 11589 100.0 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 110 70.85 2987 4160 76036 11626 100.0 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 67.48 2964 4097 77523 10929 100.0 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 67.48 2672 3329 50784 11379 95.7 1.340


7828

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 210, Berger VLD G7 #30415
Useable Case Capaci: 68.974 grain H2O = 4.478 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 93 60.73 2554 3041 44874 10527 95.8 1.414
-09.0 94 61.41 2584 3113 46452 10645 96.3 1.391
-08.0 95 62.08 2614 3186 48090 10758 96.7 1.369
-07.0 96 62.76 2644 3260 49792 10867 97.1 1.347
-06.0 97 63.43 2674 3335 51561 10971 97.5 1.325
-05.0 98 64.11 2704 3410 53398 11069 97.9 1.304
-04.0 99 64.78 2734 3487 55309 11163 98.2 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 100 65.46 2765 3564 57293 11251 98.5 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 66.13 2795 3642 59362 11333 98.8 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 66.81 2825 3721 61513 11410 99.0 1.223 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 67.48 2855 3800 63754 11481 99.3 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 104 68.15 2885 3880 66088 11545 99.5 1.185 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 105 68.83 2915 3961 68519 11604 99.6 1.166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 69.50 2945 4043 71054 11656 99.8 1.148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 70.18 2974 4125 73700 11702 99.9 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 108 70.85 3004 4208 76460 11741 99.9 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 67.48 2985 4155 77815 11016 100.0 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 67.48 2669 3321 51549 11298 93.8 1.322


Looks like mid 2800's are probably in the little 300's range, which, with that big long, high BC bullet, it should maintain alot of thump, along way out there. Just running it through Hornady's ballistic calculator has it maintaining 1500 FtLbs out to 900 yards.. That's pretty incredible when you think about it.. Might have to give them a whirl. I imagine they will penetrate well too...

 

[onesonek]

They do look sweet!

 

[laylandad]

How long did it take for SPS to ship?

 

[Woodycreek]

Ordered on the 17th and the box was here by 1pm today.

 

[JD338]

Brian,

Those look pretty long and lean.
Looking forward to your range report and a recovered bullet from the jugs.
They will be a hammer in your 300 RUM.

JD338

 

[DrMike]

Well, that is going to ensure that your weekend is filled! Good stuff, Brian. It'll be neat to see how they function in your 300RUM.

 

[Elkman]

Cool !!!!!!!

 

[bbearhntr]

I think it is pretty amazing that the "little 300" uses 30% less powder to get the same bullet to move almost as fast (96%) as that fire breathing dragon! Looking forward to hearing how well they shoot for both of you guys, I am sure you will share your results :grin:

 

[.300winmag]

I can push a 210 Berger VLD at 2,940fps out of my 28" Hart chambered in .300 win. mag., I imagine you'll get over 2,900 easily in a RUM.

 

[SJB358]

I can push a 210 Berger VLD at 2,940fps out of my 28" Hart chambered in .300 win. mag., I imagine you'll get over 2,900 easily in a RUM.

I would think so as well. QL does seem to have an issue with the Weatherby and Remington's that have alot of freebore in predictions, but I figured it would give a decent comparison to get them kicked out. I think Brian runs right around 3175 or so with 200's, so I imagine he shouldn't even have to really hammer down to get into the mid 3000's...

 

[Guy Miner]

200 grainers were doing 3150ish from my 26" .300 RUM. Retumbo.

210 gr Bergers at 2815 fps from the 24" .300 WSM. 200 gr Accubonds at about the same velocity. H4350.

I'd be more excited about the new long range Accubonds, but I've already got a good stash of 200 gr AB's on hand... Dang, I thought they were the ticket for longish range shooting! Now the newer, sleeker bullets should be even better. They do look good.

Guy

 

[Woodycreek]

I'm thinking I can get mid 3000s with the 210s? Really excited to see how well they shoot and what they do in water jugs. Should have some results on here by Sunday afternoon. The 200 AB is great bullet in both of my 300 RUMs. Still have more than a few bags of them.

 

[JD338]

Brian,

I'm thinking you are going to recover one in the 7-8th jug which is pretty decent penetration.
You should come up here in July and run a few of those 210's through some crop damage deer.

JD338

 

[sask boy]

Those ABLRs should be just what my new 280AI needs so that it will reach out & touch something :wink:. These tests should be very interesting.

Blessings,
Dan

 

[Woodycreek]

Got time this afternoon to shoot the 300 RUM and 210s across the chrono, shoot a group, and do some jug testing. I was hoping for 3050 or more and ran into pressure at 91gr of Retumbo going 3030 FPS. Dropped back to 90.5gr and avg of 5 shots for 2990. Not what I wanted for accuracy to start with so guess my work is not done yet.

Shot jugs at 10 yards with the 210 ABLR stopping in number four. Shot another one with the same results. Retained weight was 69.8gr and 70.9gr.

The pressure of shooting the jugs on the first shot split my 2x6 in half.