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.30-06 load using 150gr Accubond and H4350 powder
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trsmith18



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:38 pm    Post subject: .30-06 load using 150gr Accubond and H4350 powder Reply with quote

I am looking for a safe powder charge (min/max) to make loads using H4350 powder, a 150gr Accubond bullet, in a 30-06 cartridge. If anyone has a nosler load manual or other with this combination would be appreciated
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome,

Hodgdon shows 56 to 62gr/H-4350 with 150gr Nolser BT. I'm loading
60gr/H-4350 with 150gr E-Tp in the 30-06 and Nolser doesn't list H-4350 with 150gr bullets.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are those ranges out of the most recent hodgdon manual
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Hodgdon manual shows 62.0C grainsat 3068 FPS. I've loaded 60 grains of H4350 and 150 grain Hornady BTSP for my son's 30-06 and that gave me about 2992 FPS. He liked how they shot. With using 60 grains of H4350 and 150gr. accubond, you should be ok.






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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trsmith18 wrote:
are those ranges out of the most recent hodgdon manual


Yes you can also get the data from here
http://www.hodgdon.com/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H4350 has always worked well from my .30-06, but I don't recall ever loading 150's from it. Generally stick with 165's. Sometimes I jump up to 180, 200 or even 220 grain bullets.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am trying to work up a 150 gr load for hunting this year. I have always used 165gr remington core-lok, but want something with less kick and will be using the accubond which is a better bullet
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trsmith18

Welcome to the forum.

IMR 4350 was always my go to powder in 30-06. A MAX load of 59.0 grs shot very well for me and accounted for several WT deer, Antelope and a Black Bear with the 150 gr PT.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have alwasy used 58g imr4350 with 150g Gamekings to produce nice little groups and dead deer.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.754% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-17.5 85 47.01 2338 1821 28962 8143 84.7 1.389
-15.8 87 48.01 2391 1904 30653 8398 86.0 1.358
-14.0 89 49.01 2444 1989 32439 8648 87.3 1.327
-12.3 90 50.01 2497 2076 34355 8893 88.6 1.297
-10.5 92 51.01 2550 2166 36378 9132 89.8 1.268
-08.8 94 52.01 2604 2259 38534 9364 90.9 1.235
-07.0 96 53.01 2658 2354 40826 9588 92.0 1.201
-05.3 98 54.01 2713 2451 43267 9804 93.0 1.169
-03.5 99 55.01 2767 2551 45869 10011 94.0 1.137
-01.8 101 56.01 2822 2652 48643 10207 94.9 1.107
+00.0 103 57.01 2877 2757 51606 10392 95.7 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
+01.8 105 58.01 2932 2863 54773 10566 96.5 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
+03.5 107 59.01 2987 2972 58161 10727 97.2 1.021 ! Near Maximum !
+05.3 108 60.01 3042 3082 61792 10874 97.8 0.993 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+07.0 110 61.01 3097 3195 65687 11007 98.3 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.8 112 62.01 3153 3310 69869 11124 98.8 0.941 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 57.01 3039 3076 62228 10449 99.6 0.994 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 57.01 2669 2372 42247 9756 87.4 1.183
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: POP Reply with quote

thanks for the information...to what do you account the differences in acceptable ranges of powder charge. The hodgdon site states 56-62C for acceptable ranges but your data show maximum/dangerous charge levels much lower. Please explain.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference is several things. Different testing setup and methodology, different bullet shape & bearing surface, different lot of powder, and different components (brand & lot of brass and/or primers) all play a part. If you're shooting a Hornady bullet, use Hornady data. If you're shooting a Nosler bullet, use Nosler data. Once you become more accustomed to how your rifle behaves, and learn a bit about handloading over the years, you'll be better able to discern what charge weights are appropriate for your selection of components.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every load posted anywhere is only a reference and not written in stone.

Rifle barrels, pressure guns vs sporter guns, twist rate, barrel length powder lot #, type of primer and lot # , the way the barrel "accepts" the bullet and a myriad of other variables can play a role.
This is the most difficult thing to understand and accept amongst handloaders.

It is NOT an exact science.

For example: Different loading pressures, read on............

The aforementioned data I supplied, from quickload is using the SAAMI 60K PSI assigned to the 30-06.
Why is the 270 win or 308 win rated at 65K?
Are rem 700's (for example) slated to be reamed in 30-06's made less strong than the ones to be made in 270 win or 308?
Are 30-06 brass made less stronger than 270, 308 or 300 win? No way.
So you will see '06 loads out there that are at the 65K max.......
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the info as all was. I gues i am just unsure what everyone feels may be the safe ranges to begin load development to avoid any accidents.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

any idea what you guys feel given the "average" information, what would be a safe start/max load
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